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Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.09 17:18:00 - [1] Edited by: Anton Marvik on 09/06/2008 17:20:45 Originally by: Jade Constantine What is it with the damned hippy-flower-child-politically-correct mumbo jumbo being spoken on these forums today? Originally by: Jade Constantine 99% of the bad feeling comes from people who for one reason or other have decided they want the CSM to fail. Quoting for posterity. Keep digging yourself deeper. The most frustrating part of this all is your inability to accept responsibility for your actions. You don't even seem to realise why what you did was wrong. Now you're just going to brush off the community's outrage by saying we "just want the CSM to fail". **** you. If the CSM doesn't remove you from chair its a failure that should be put on all of them.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.09 17:36:00 - [2] Originally by: Jade Constantine Seriously, get over yourselves guys. Are you familiar with the term "Irony"?
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.09 18:07:00 - [3] Originally by: Letouk Mernel What are the Icelandic laws if a public brawl or fight takes place? CCP could always claim it is a sporting event, Sumo Wrestling.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.09 18:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Jade Constantine I don't care if 10,000 goons get up on their hind legs and cry primal soliloquies to the moon about this. Sorry if it chaffs your sense of political correctness Verone... Further irony. In the same post you can insinuate only Goons are complaining, while "addressing" Verone's (Who is most certainly not a Goon) concerns which mirror those of everyone else. This is called "psychosis", disconnection from reality.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.09 21:02:00 - [5] Further irony, Jade criticizing fellow EVE players for being 'nerdy' despite his own *******-Love-Affair-Roleplaying.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:17:00 - [6] Why is it always somebody else's fault, Jade?
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Jade Constantine Why do you feel the need to troll every thread this evening? Its one of those perennial questions of the human condition isn't it? Are we back to trolls and goon conspiracy?
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:30:00 - [8] Edited by: Anton Marvik on 10/06/2008 00:30:39 Originally by: Heartstone To be fair I think conspiracy is pushing it just a tad too far I thought so too, let Jade know. Originally by: Heartstone Almost all of it is abrasive comments aimed at Jade with no actual content other than that designed to annoy people. If reality annoys you. Originally by: Heartstone Post somethign constructive with even a hint of middle ground and you might find people more willing to give your words some credence. I believe removing Jade from Chair is constructive. I believe it is to the benefit of CSM and many people agree with me. Furthermore, plenty of people are willing to give my words credence, Jade simply doesn't because my position is different from his, fortunately he is in no position to mute me.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:43:00 - [9] Edited by: Anton Marvik on 10/06/2008 00:44:13 Originally by: Heartstone Hmm getting people to agree to what they already agree to isn't a trick. Getting people to listen to what you say and alter their opinion or at least make them think is rather the point and I don't think that you've really done that with the way you have gone about it today which was more my point. I don't wish to change people's minds or alter their opinions. I don't have an agenda like yourself. Plenty of people came to the realization that Jade is out of control on their own. Originally by: Heartstone You are assuing Jade of simply not lending weight to your words becuase he disagrees but you have been doin the same all day since hat thread came into being. Either that or he really believes the goon conspiracy tripe in which case he is mentally ill.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:46:00 - [10] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well I believe that removing you from your ship and podding you repeatedly until your clone had so few skillpoints you couldn't reliably speak caldari without a phrasebook would be constructive too but we can't have everything we want. I guess we both need to get used to living with disappointment. You've already shown that you love no less than punishing those who disagree with you. I appreciate the fodder, however.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 01:00:00 - [11] Edited by: Anton Marvik on 10/06/2008 01:01:44 Originally by: Heartstone I wish the CSM to work. That makes two of us. Originally by: Heartstone I think flaming Jade continutally doesn't help to make things better. If quoting Jade and, ironically, editorializing said quotes is "flaming". Originally by: Heartstone As for being out of control i think half the problem as stated by Cosmo on another thread somewhere is that people don't seem to realise how much control a Chairman should be exerting on a commitee. When you appeal to authority make sure its not someone who "knows Jade personally and don't like to see him insulted." Originally by: Heartstone In any case the chairman's control or lack thereof is still a matter that should have been address by CCP in a properly prepared document rather than left to the first commitee to figure out for themselves. The chairperson is responsible to the playerbase, not just CCP, as are all CSM reps. Originally by: Heartstone I realise many people don't like restrictive rules and in most things neither do I but a commitee without a solid structure and control by a chairperson does not work and I would rather like to see this particualr commitee succeed. The point of the majority of my "insulting" posts was to explain why I and others take issue with Jade's actions during the meeting and since. Perhaps you should try reading them again as you missed the point. In fact, the majority of criticisms directed toward Jade aren't about the rules, or lack there of, but rather his own actions during the meeting and after.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 01:36:00 - [12] Originally by: Goumindong We are long past the point where we can present new evidence and arguments. We have presented them in spades and all that has been done is for Jade to ignore them, lie about them, ad hominem them, and strawman them. This basically sums it up at this point. I never thought I'd be on Goum's side of an argument but there it is.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 01:48:00 - [13] Originally by: Kai Zion Dearest Goum, When are you going to get around to lengthy and irate derision of Darius for the part he clearly played in this mess? I mean, if you're calling people on their behavior in some apparently non-partisan way and holding them to account for their actions, I assume that's on your agenda also? Darius muted Ianna, editorialized CSM decisions, then flipped out and said that those criticizing him were part of some conspiracy to destroy the CSM rather than accepting responsibility? Please.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 01:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Kai Zion I'm pointing out what appears to be double standards, when Goonswarm members lambast Jade whilst silently letting Darius off the hook for the part he played in this mess. What part? You have access to the log. Lets see some quotes. Although you may wish to start your own thread as this one is clearly about Jade's actions (Read the title of the thread).
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.10 23:56:00 - [15] ...the Chairman doesn't have veto power. Jade's gone off the deep end.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.11 00:09:00 - [16] Originally by: Jade Constantine me realizing that any CSM involving this sort of personality mix cannot be allowed to change its own constitution in a significant way. Its fortunate the Chair isn't given the power to make such decisions.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.11 01:40:00 - [17] Edited by: Anton Marvik on 11/06/2008 01:42:37 Originally by: Pnuka Who is Kelsin? One of Jade's cronies. Its ironic because SF actually doesn't hold sovereignty anywhere while Darius' Corp/Alliance holds huge amounts of space.
Anton Marvik AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.06.11 10:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Jade Constantine Well, the only "power" I believe the chair should have in these meetings is the ability to moderate discussion. When did it change from that to you interpreting the CSM documentation and having veto power?

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